tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post7313021310885955237..comments2023-10-26T22:37:19.944+09:00Comments on Chinese Chic 中華風 中華チック : My Thoughts on Homosexuality.....關於同性戀... 同姓愛って話...hcpenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04873196049058280832noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-39986510105452621012007-02-28T22:54:00.000+09:002007-02-28T22:54:00.000+09:00jw: I'll reply to your comments after i've read so...jw: I'll reply to your comments after i've read some of the links you provided and when i'm free k? Been flat out with work recently....thanks for ur thoughts as usual:)hcpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04873196049058280832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-34291205727417649362007-02-22T13:36:00.000+09:002007-02-22T13:36:00.000+09:00this article finally got me off my feet and i have...this article finally got me off my feet and i have done some research, and stumbled across the following from http://home.messiah.edu/~chase/h/articles/rogers.htm<BR/><BR/>----------<BR/>Some homosexuals comfort themselves with the thought that their feelings could be biologically programmed within, beyond choice or any personal responsibility. Gay activists claim that homosexuals are born gay, and that homosexuality should therefore be viewed as normal and natural. Yet, others with a homosexual orientation feel trapped by such logic, fearing they are hopeless victims of a genetic fate they want no part of. <BR/>Certainiy, people don't choose to develop homosexual feelings. But that does not mean one is born pre-programmed to be forever homosexual. We are not bio-robots. And we cannot ignore environmental influences and our reactions to such influences. Even if some types of homosexuality occur as a 'product' of nature, does that make it desirable or normal? Nature produces a host of biologically influenced conditions, such as depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, diabetes ... but we don't consider these `normal'just because they occur 'naturally'. So why is homosexuality given a different status? It is also worth noting that there are now some in the academic realm suggesting that adult sexual attraction to children could also be the product of an inherent biological influence. If proven true, would this mean we approve of sex between adults and children? <BR/><BR/>There are those who also believe that if homosexuality has a biological 'origin', then religious prohibitions against homosexual acts should be disregarded as irrelevant in the light of modern scientific discovery. Advocates of this thinking don't understand however, that when a religion declares certain human behaviours to be wrong, such as homosexual acts, it doesn't matter if there is a biological origin or not. In fact, such scientific discovery would only confirm what ancient religious writings already state: our present human condition is flawed, both biologically and psychologically. Religious writings make clear that humanity consequently struggles with many inherent and harmful weaknesses. Yet, it is also clear that We are intended to overcome and master our natural tendencies and weaknesses. rather than justifying and indulging them. <BR/><BR/>In spite of the many theories and even recent but in conclusive genetic and brain-related research, there is still no scientifically accepted evidence proving that homosexuals are "born gay". However, if science one day confirms a genetic or other hormonal bio-influence encouraging homosexual development, not all those involved in homosexuality would have this influence within them. And as has been clearly stated by genetic researchers, those with such a possible influence, would not be obligated to be homosexual. For example, some scientists believe that there are people born with bio-influences toward alcoholism, drug addiction, criminal behaviour and even divorce. But does that mean such persons are required to become, and therefore remain addicts and criminals? Biology may influence, but it doesn't automatically justify every possible resulting behaviour. Neither does it eliminate personal responsibility, will, conscience or our ability to choose whether we will control or be controlled by our weaknesses. <BR/>------------<BR/><BR/>According to the above there is no scientific evidence that one is "born gay". If you advocate that, it is your personal belief, and not a known fact.<BR/><BR/>I would be interested in any articles you might find to the contrary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-34197312068382520822007-02-22T09:05:00.000+09:002007-02-22T09:05:00.000+09:00hi hcpen,I appreciate your reply. There is only so...hi hcpen,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your reply. There is only so much understanding we can reach of each others thoughts in this kind of exchange. But let's just try our best anyway. Sorry for my bad writing.<BR/><BR/>About the Mardis Gras. I wasn't concerened so much as for the idea behind why they have it. But the resulting behaviour from the participants and other gay people who come to watch. Can you tell me why they don't dress up respectably and behave respectably? Have you actually been to one? If they just want to promote their acceptance into society and show their love, surely they can do this in a more respectable way. You missed my meaning of immoral sex completely, I am sorry that I did not make it clear, but I did not mean anal sex was immoral sex. I think you are reading too much into my words on your own, and perhaps because I have revealed to you that I am a christian (probably not as devout as you think), it seems to me that you are pigeon-holing me along with all the christians.<BR/><BR/>Immoral sex can of course happen in both the straight and gay world. That is why I said <BR/><BR/>"whether it's gay sex or hetro sex, it definitely promotes immmoral sex and debauchery". <BR/><BR/>If you have sex with someone "just for fun" eg. one night stand, I see that as immoral sex. I hope you agree. If they cheat on their lover, that is also immoral sex. If they have group sex, that is also immoral. etc. I hope you now understand what I meant. In no way did I ever say this was exclusive to gays. My statement was simply that Mardi Gras creates the environment which promotes and leads to the above said immoral sex. I would be just as critical of a parade organised by straight people if it ended up with the same results, again, that's why I said <BR/><BR/>"in this case it happens to be the gay type. It really doesn't matter what your religion is, it just comes down to your own individual moral standards"<BR/><BR/>your quote "isn't it a Christian ethic to promote tolerance and Christian compassion, love thy neighbor" just shows a misplaced understanding of the Chrisitan ethic. I know it's just so easy for people to say "but aren't christians supposed to be loving and understanding to all people?". I know my statements were quite strongly put, but nowhere did I say that they should be "eradicated" like you alluded to.<BR/><BR/>If you are trying to say to me that the Mardi Gras isn't sexually charged, then like I said above just look at the way they dress up and behave on the parades. If anyone misunderstood the message behind the Mardi Gras, then maybe it is the participants themselves?<BR/><BR/>I am very aware of the current trends in the straight world, in relation to marriages and giving birth and divorce rates etc. I do feel pity for those people who cannot enjoy the riches of life which is attained from having your own family. That includes members of the straight community, and all members of the gay community. This is the current trend of the current world we live in, and of course it isn't ideal and it isn't something we should just accept as reality. We should promote good healthy relationsips and becoming good fathers and mothers. <BR/><BR/>I totally agree with you that the straight world has changed since the 50s. I hope you can see the big picture and realise that just because the world trend is going a certain way, that this isn't somehow "normal" or the "way it should be". The view I hold that we should promote good family values, and less on the individual values, just because this is not in accordance with the current trend, does not mean I am wrong, or that I should just give in. I am saying this in reply to your<BR/><BR/>"straight world has also changed from the 1950s view of the world u still seem to hold..."<BR/><BR/>By this I hope you don't mean that you simply accept things for the way they are and that you are saying people not getting married and not having children and getting divorced is just normal, because this is the age we are living in.<BR/><BR/>your "i repeat NOT homosexuality that is breaking down families but various other factors..." I think that can be refuted with my "reading too much into my words on your own" because I never said homosexuality is breaking down familes. <BR/><BR/>I am sorry if my "world crisis and handpicking ppl for the new colony' arguement" freaked you out. I was afraid you might read that wrongly. I was intentionally making a objectively reasoned point in a very overt way. As crass and staight forward as the point may be, I think you ended up re-enforcing it further by bunching gays with the "handicapped, the straight ppl who have infertility problems, the overweight, the skinny, the single mothers, the prostitutes, the drunkards and the drug takers" on your own. <BR/><BR/>Ok I admit that I was expecting you to say "gay marriage was only possible a few years ago" so you are right, it would be asking for the impossible :). I guess my point was more that a love between a man and a woman is re-enforced and enhanced by creating a family of their own, love is overall about commitment and perserverance. I am saying that it is naturally harder for a gay couple to last the distance.<BR/><BR/>And again with the last point, I am not excluding the problem to just gays. I am totally aware that this is a problem for society as a whole. My point was that from my observations, the love between gay couple is not equal to the love between a man and a woman. Again it really depends on "how you define love".<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this exchange, and I hope that it provoked you into thinking more deeply about the issue. It certainly had that affect on me :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-54680230613123548042007-02-22T00:29:00.000+09:002007-02-22T00:29:00.000+09:00jw: Thanks for your thoughts on the issue. If i th...jw: Thanks for your thoughts on the issue. If i think u r who u r, i'm not that surprised at your views given that u r a devout christian.<BR/><BR/>First of all, i'll address each item u raised.<BR/>Mardi Gras....i think its a wonderful celebration of love showing that love is an incredible and lovely thing regardless of gender...u say it promotes 'immoral sex whether heterosexual or homosexual'....erm, r u refering to 'anal sex'? well i simply dun think the parade is promoting that cos altho i dun know much about the Mardi Gras, i HIGHLY DOUBT they carry placards saying 'lets all have wonderful anal sex ok?'<BR/><BR/>Its a parade and celebration of tolerance and compassion...(hhmmm...isn't it a Christian ethic to promote tolerance and Christian compassion, love thy neighbor???)NOT a parade for sex....i think u need to get that message...u may have misunderstood the message and meaning behind Mardi Gras...<BR/><BR/>Also how can gays be against 'immoral sex' when its the only way for homosexuals to 'do it'??it doesn't make sense...<BR/><BR/>Also your sense of pity is seriously misplaced....you must know that the marriage rate amongst straight people is VERY VERY low across the developed world and divorce rate is EXTREMELY HIGH now..in many countries...in summary, many STRAIGHT people aren't getting married ever in their entire lives now and many more are divorced....so do u feel pity that they'can't experience the joys of being married and having children'too??<BR/><BR/>Further, many young couples nowadays never have children even if married (like friend of mine she's married but not intending to have any children or a work collegue of mine whom has been married over many yrs now but she says she doesn't want any children)...do u also feel a 'sense of pity' for them too??<BR/>U seem to think its only gays whom won't have the joys of marriage and raising a family but u must realise the straight world has also changed from the 1950s view of the world u still seem to hold...marriage and raising a family is not 'enjoyed' by many straight people nowadays also so it really isn't relevant to the gay issue...<BR/><BR/>The thing u mentioned about needing good fathers and mothers i TOTALLY AGREE but as i mentioned in my post, its NOT and i repeat NOT homosexuality that is breaking down families but various other factors...if u still cannot see that, then, i really have nothing to say...<BR/><BR/>The thing about 'a world crisis and handpicking ppl for the new colony' arguement u wrote kinda seriously freaked me out jw...u sound scary and i'm abit taken abk u r THAT conservative and anti-gay...of cos we can leave out the gays,....and the handicapped, the straight ppl who have infertility problems, the overweight, the skinny, the single mothers, the prostitutes, the drunkards and the drug takers from that new colony shouldn't we? Cos they r also 'undesirables'...<BR/><BR/>About gay couple married for 30 yrs, well JW in case u haven't realised gay marriage was only possible a few years ago so aren't u asking for the impossible? Also conditions of intense discrimination by the larger society is also to blame...show me a happily married korean-black couple of over 30 years? (this is legally possible) Why is there so rare cases? Cos of discrimination...not cos they dun love each other...<BR/><BR/>Also ur lust argument is applicable to straight relationships also...many straight guys 'like very much' have a 'short-lived love' or 'lust' after women and nver really love them viewing them as sex objects, or in the case of short-lived love have an affair with another woman 10 years down the track AFTER they are married...<BR/><BR/>To end, i seriously think all ur arguements are deeply misplaced and misguided...almost everything u say is not exclusive to gays and can be applied and are indeed highly relevant to straight relationships too..so i don't see how they r relevant to homosexuality...eradicating homosexuality simply won't resolve the same problems in the straight world...but i do appreciate u adding ur own thoughts on the matter and as always respect your viewpoints on the issue:):):)hcpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04873196049058280832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-82227213958370834672007-02-21T14:11:00.000+09:002007-02-21T14:11:00.000+09:00I can accept gays because I must, they will not go...I can accept gays because I must, they will not go away just because I do not accept them. I feel great pity for them tho. <BR/><BR/>What do you think of the Mardi Gras celebrations? I think Mardi Gras is a disgrace to humans. Ok, let me put it this way, whether it's gay sex or hetro sex, it definitely promotes immmoral sex and debauchery, in this case it happens to be the gay type. It really doesn't matter what your religion is, it just comes down to your own individual moral standards. Are there any gays who are against the Mardi Gras or immoral sex? Not many at all.<BR/><BR/>I feel pity for them that they can't experience the love and happiness derived from marrying a wife/husband, and raising your own family and if you are lucky enough, even have grandchildren. Life should be about family. That's the key component of society which is breaking us all down. We need good fathers and mothers.<BR/><BR/>On the whole scale of things, even if we were to leave religion alone, let's be honest. For the survival of the human species, gays and lesbians play no positive role. In fact it could be viewed as negative. If the earth was faced with a crisis and we had to handpick some people to start a new colony on a new planet, gays wouldn't be part of them. So let's not try to defend gays as being normal because that is simply not true.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how you define love? You really think the love between 2 men is going to be the same as the love between a woman and a man?<BR/><BR/>I would like to know if you have heard of a happily married gay couple who lasted for more than 30 years.<BR/><BR/>I think your defence for gays using "love" is quite weak, and I am not saying it is not possible, but in most cases you should replace that word with "lust" and "short lived love" or "like very much". Everlasting love? that's even hard for hetro couples. I would say it's near impossible for gay couples. I would be happy to be proven wrong however :) Just adding to the discussion, nothing personal :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-63203414669587105922007-02-15T21:57:00.000+09:002007-02-15T21:57:00.000+09:00typoprone: you bet it was a shocking scene! Anyway...typoprone: you bet it was a shocking scene! Anyways, will post the next 2 instalments soon:):)hcpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04873196049058280832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12627448.post-24941129031378629192007-02-15T06:16:00.000+09:002007-02-15T06:16:00.000+09:00Haha...that gay homeparty would've been quite a si...Haha...that gay homeparty would've been quite a sight. Anyway, looking forward to the next two in your little trilogy. :)typopronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00092517937971387603noreply@blogger.com